Ritchey 650b (DirtRagMag)


By Mike Cushionbury

Tom Ritchey built his first 27.5-inch wheeled off-road frameset in 1977 (which he called a 650b) as a personal bike. It never caught on at that time but now, 36 years later, the industry and many riders have begun to create demand for the in-between wheel size. Though most brands are looking towards longer travel, a few companies with roots in cross-country racing are utilizing the wheel size for that application as well.

Built from Ritchey’s classic heat-treated, triple-butted Logic 2 steel, the P-650b has new forged, socket-style dropouts and lightweight, chainstay-mounted disc brake tabs. The rest of the bike, including its iconic red, white and blue color scheme is a throwback to the past. The 68mm bottom bracket accepts English threaded cups (no BB30 here), seatpost size is standard 27.2, and the head tube is non-tapered at 1 1/8”. Our test bike came with a rigid, Ritchey-branded full carbon fork, though the geometry is adjusted to accept a 100mm travel suspension fork.

The parts build is just as cross-country specific, with a SRAM X0 2×10 drivetrain, alloy Ritchey Vantage 2 tubeless ready rims, WCS Shield tires and a carbon seatpost and handlebar. I was impressed with the ease in which the wheels were converted to tubeless and the quality of the wheelset in general on the trail.

I’ll admit, the P-650b was a bit of shock to my overly suspended system on our rougher east coast trails. Ritchey’s steel tubing remains one of the most refined and compelling materials for cross-country riding and racing, albeit with a weight penalty compared to carbon fiber, but this is still a fully rigid race bike no matter how nice the frame feels through the rough. I would have liked the addition of a suspension fork for some added comfort but for long, west coast fire roads and smooth singletrack this build will flat out fly.

After a few weeks with the P-650b I’ve developed a bit of an attachment to its old school charm. I’ve also realized just what type of rider will more fully appreciate everything the Ritchey has to offer.

Want to read the full, long-term review? Grab a copy of Issue #171 and check it out.

 

Carver killer B review – dirtrag


From dirtrag – carver killer B review – more fuel to the fire

http://www.dirtragmag.com/reviews/carver-killer-b
Issue:
147

By Karen Brooks

147-carver-300x198.jpgTester: Karen Brooks
Age: 36
Height: 5’8″
Weight: 125lbs.
Inseam: 33″

Vital Stats
Country of Origin: China
Price: $1345 frame with options, $2700 as built
Weight: 25.3lbs. built as a singlespeed, 27.3lbs. geared, 3.2lbs. size 17″ frame
Sizes Available: 13″, 15″, 17″ (tested), 19″, 21″, 23″
Contact: www.carverbikes.com

Having a “geeky physics background.” Davis Carver isn’t afraid to mess around with unusual wheel sizes, and in fact, sees advantages to offering more than the standard 26″ wheel for mountain bikes—in getting the fit just right, and in being able to mix front and rear wheel sizes. But the fact that he’s also a bike shop owner, and thus could argue against the potential multiplying of replacement parts, doesn’t dissuade Carver from experimenting. From his shop in Woolwich, Maine, he dreamed up some bike designs, and then about ten years ago met a bike builder based in China who offered to help make them a reality. Carver started with the 96’er, a 29″ front/26″rear combo bike (reviewed back in issue #112), and from there, has produced a collection of mountain bikes with almost every conceivable wheel size combination.

The 650B, or 27.5″, wheel size is something relatively new, at least as applied to mountain bikes. Andy tried out the first one for Dirt Rag in issue #131, a prototype by Kirk Pacenti. This “tweener” size, Carver feels, gives some of the sure-footedness of a 29er without the potential geometry problems in smaller frame sizes. The Killer B frame is made of 3/2.5 titanium and has a clean, “normal” appearance; at first glance it’s hard to tell what size the wheels are. The welds are not quite stack-of-dimes perfect, but aren’t bad either, and the closed-in, box-section head tube gusset is elegant. The top tube is subtly bent for standover clearance. The chain- and seatstays swerve in an S-shape for tire clearance, giving plenty of room for the Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3″ tires plus lots of mud.

This is a bike that felt comfortable right away (which was fortunate, since my second ride on it was the Shenandoah Mountain 100). Some of the instant comfort I attribute to the fact that it’s a fairly straightforward hardtail, but its 650B-ness was also a factor. I felt like Goldilocks tasting just the right porridge. With 29ers I tend to fit the smallest available frame size; this 17″ tester is right in the middle of Carver’s six size options, with geometry that is nearly identical to my personal 17″ Mooto-X 29er singlespeed (the smallest that Moots makes). The Killer B’s chainstays aren’t particularly short at 17.5″-18.5″ (depending on where the sliding dropouts are set), yet the rear end felt nice and compact. At 4.5″ the head tube was actually a quarter-inch longer than my bike’s, but no extraordinary measures were needed to keep the handlebar height reasonable, and in fact it measured 2.5″ lower than on my bike with a similar stem. Already some benefits to the smaller wheels reveal themselves.

Overall the handling was about what can be predicted—somewhere in between that of a 26er and a 29er. Duh! It was interesting to note how the tweener wheels worked better than two-nines or two-sixes in some situations but worse in others. The course of the 2009 Singlespeed World Championships, in Durango, Colorado, was a perfect test track to illustrate these pros and cons: there was a rocky ridgetop section, in which the wheels got caught up in between the giant slabs of rock more than 29″ ones would have (and I firmly believe I would not have been passed by so many racers if I hadn’t been crippled by smaller wheels—the elevation had nothing to do with it, I swear), and there was a tightly-wound woodsy section, in which I could sling the bike around easily, approaching the flick-ability of a 26er. In singlespeed mode, there was less of our old friend momentum coming from the smaller wheels, but that had its advantages in quicker acceleration.

Running gears, the bit of acceleration gained was nice to have. On long smooth sections, of which there were a lot in the aforementioned 100-miler, the 650B wheels rolled along slightly better than 26″ would, but didn’t generate the keep-on-truckin’ feeling of 29″.

I don’t tend to get airborne much, but when I did, the Carver was less bike to pilot, yet stuck to the ground upon landing a little better than a 26er. I generally felt less high-up off the ground than on a 29er, and it was easy to hang off the back of the bike in techy downhill bits. This could be due in part to the the Killer B’s low-ish bottom bracket height of 11.XX”; I struck my pedals more than a few times on rocks and logs, but I’ll take that in trade for more stability. The Neo-Moto tires’ in-between contact patch worked well in most situations, but once the mud started getting rehydrated in the fall I missed having a wider area to get a grip.

All that wheel size experimentation seems to have served Carver well. There was nothing jarring or weird about the ride. This is a bike that seemed perfectly at ease in a variety of cross country environments.

There are a ton of options for Carver frames. My tester’s sliding dropouts (with a derailleur hanger) closely resemble ones from Ti experts Paragon Machine Works, only thicker, and add $250 to the basic $1100 frame price. Carver also offers their own brand of eccentric bottom bracket (but Davis cautions that it can slip more easily in a Ti frame), as well as a BB30 option. Custom geometry can be ordered with no extra charge. A third bottle mount, fender mounts, and other tweaks are also available.

The only problem I had with the frame was the rear derailleur cable braze-ons—they stuck out from beneath the top tube enough, and were sharp enough, to put holes in my skin along with a couple pairs of tights. While I was running the bike singlespeed I wrapped multiple layers of electrical tape over them. Newer versions of the frame have these braze-ons more tucked under the top tube.

Carver also offers a plethora of build kits. My tester arrived with XT hubs and Velocity Blunt rims, a huck-worthy but hefty combination, although the Velocity rims have a fairly wide 21.6mm internal rim width, which helps eke out the maximum tire contact patch. (I’ll be reporting on a lighter 650B wheelset from Notubes.com in an upcoming issue.) Although the Killer B was sent with a straight handlebar, for all-day comfort I hit up Eric for the Carver MyTi alt-bar that he had tested in issue #144, and was damn glad I did. Its curves matched nicely with the frame’s and it helped keep the bike comfortable.

This Killer B got its suspension action from a 2009 X-Fusion Velvet fork, a $350 option. As we reported from Interbike ’09, X-Fusion has been flying under the radar for a while now, making forks and shocks for other brands, but they are poised to grab more attention soon. They just might do it by offering this excellent 650B fork choice (it’s actually a 26″ fork, but approved for 650B use). If I had to describe the Velvet in one word, it would be, well…velvety. Through all kinds of conditions, the fork remained supple and smooth. Its only drawback was the lack of a lockout.

So are 650B bikes the next wheel size revolution? Hard to say. Personally, I agree with Mr. Carver, and think it makes a lot of sense to offer as many options as are practical. The offerings from this particular bike maker, being grounded in real-world experiments, are especially attractive for conducting your own try-it-on-for-size experiments.147-carver-300x198.jpg